Sikh Orgs Worldwide Vow to Fight Bhai Pamma’s Extradition To India

Why do you keep persisting on blaming foreign governments and even dead empires for the crimes committed by and in the name of the Indian State? What has the dead Roman and British Empires got to do with the genocidal pogroms against the Sikhs instigated, carried out, sponsored, approved, sanctioned, covered up and to this day defended by the Indian State (its politicians from all parties, its police and judiciary are all guilty of failing their sacred duty as much as the mobs encouraged, armed and given free reign to murder Sikhs with impugnity). As for the American Empire we wouldn’t even know some of the facts of these atrocities if we didn’t have the Snowden leaks about what American intelligence was picking up from its embassy in Delhi in 1984 about how much of the violence was orchestrated by Rajiv Ghandi’s party. And again for the British Empire you wish to pass the buck onto – it is thanks to their 30 year release policy of cabinet papers that we know that Indira Gandhi traitorously asked a foreign and former imperial power for military assistance in attacking Darbar Sahib more than six months before it happened (contradicting Indian army who said they had to do Operation Bluestar because time was so pressing). Where is the Indian Empire’s policy towards releasing governmental papers? They burn them and lose them and march into the museum and library of Darbar Sahib to loot its relics to try and rewrite Sikh history

In medical jargon you are an idiot who believes in autocracy and suppression of religious minorities whilst hiding behind a false name posing as one of the hero community that liberated and protected your country when your forefathers were too spineless to do it for themselves. Medically speaking there is a cure for your malady – stay well away from other carriers of this contagion of bigotry and hatred then immerse yourself in reading history books (obviously none that are endorsed by the RSS unless you want to read fantasy fiction) and pray to your Gods and Goddessess that they reveal to you that they don’t exist and that you have wasted your life which was actually all about practising how to love God by loving people (yes, that includes the Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and all non-Hinduvta peoples – humanity in short). By the way it is ‘Chardi Kala’ – a concept in Sikhism that refers to a mental state of optimism and joy. Sikhs are ideally expected to be in this positive state of mind – not ‘Chadi Kala’ which I assume is the RSS concept of something to do with underpants and RSS goons are ideally expected to keep clean in place of mind.

The only people that are hurting Punjab and the bonds between Punjabi SIkhs and Hindus are RSS Hindus like you ‘Harinder’. The more you reveal about your insidious agenda to try and smother Sikhism and the civil liberties / human rights of other minorities the more you make the case for Sikhs for self determination as they cannot live as slaves – it is just not in our nature or history to accept tyranny. Remember Indian Punjab’s Hindus have already set the precedent in 1966 for secession from Punjab – they were allowed to vote to abandon both mother tongue of Punjabi and its soil for Hindi and the artificial creation of Haryana state. Keep oppressing the Sikhs and you make the case for Khalistan as how will you deny Sikhs the referendum you afforded the PUnjabi Hindus and East Pakistanis to secede from autocratic rule by those they came to perceive as being ‘the other’?

You both reveal and condemn yourself with your own words by comparing Sikhs with ISIS and endorsing the totalitarian action of the Chinese Government (a despotic regime that my uncles lost life and limb fighting against in the India China war!). The Tiananmen Square Massacre was student-led popular demonstration in Beijing which received broad support from city residents, exposing deep splits within China’s political leadership. The protests were forcibly suppressed by hardline leaders who ordered the military to enforce martial law in the country’s capital. The crackdown that initiated on June 3–4 became known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre as troops with assault rifles and tanks inflicted casualties on unarmed civilians trying to block the military’s advance towards Tiananmen Square. The number of civilian deaths has been estimated at anywhere between hundreds and thousands. The Chinese government condemned the protests as a counter-revolutionary riot, and has largely prohibited discussion and remembrance of the events ever since. Sound familiar? I would never as CM or PM order the murder of my fellow citizens in for purely political gain and to maintain power. That is the difference between you RSS dogs and the Khalsa lions – WE ARE SPARTACUS!

No, the issue is if the law is unjust then it is a Sikh’s religious duty to break it. And you cannot put Sikhs into a court of law which has no interest in delivering justice. Those fundamental principles were established at the Nuremburg trials which condemned not just Nazis but ordinary German citizens and judiciary officials (judges, police officers et al) who tried to argue that they were merely carrying out orders and conventions established by the state in its laws (such as the anti-Jewish laws of discrimination enshrined perfectly legally (if immorally) into German law during the 1930s). If you stick with your line then SIkhs should have been held accountable to Mughal laws and British laws as they were the legitimate legal power in the Punjab (and most of India) and were set up to repress any revolt against their rule – both had courts and laws which condemned Sikhs (and non SIkhs for that matter) to torture, imprisonment and death penalties. It’s really deeply depressing to me that you still do not accept this very basic Sikh principle of not blindly put up with despotic rule but vigorously opposing it – where would your Kashmiri Pandits be if Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji had not gone to Delhi to defend their religious rights and sacrificed his head to Moghul law? Where would India be if Bhagat Singh and Udham had not broken British law and been condemned to hang in British courts? Gurmeet Pinky has already whistle blown how depraved the Punjab police has been in extra judicial killings against Sikhs for just being Sikhs (it was enough that young Punjabi men who kept their beards and dastaars to be automatically labelled as militants and extremists and then summarily kidnapped, tortured and murdered by men in uniform). The law permitted these atrocities in the name of security and has actually created more martyrs and grievances. As for the kangaroo Indian courts well Bapu Surat SIngh has highlighted their injustices in passing sentences against Sikhs and then allowing them to languish in prisons years after their sentences have expired. I know you are just posing as a Sikh but even as a Hindu you are still a human being and have the moral responsibility to know the difference between right and wrong and to stand up against injustice. Even though you refuse to believe in Waheguru you are still his child and will have to answer to Him about why you were content to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the abuses being carried on against Sikhs till this day. If I cannot appeal to your common humanity then I lastly appeal to your sense of patriotism, warped as it is – these Sikhs upon whom indignities and atrocities are being visited by the Indian Sarkar are still your fellow Indian citizens until you make them not.

I am simply pointing out that you and ‘Surjeet’ are not Sikhs. One can easily recognise one’s own brothers.

And you do not want people to think – that is the whole objective behind Hinduvta-ism, keep the masses down and quiet. I have written these two comments broken up not just for you but for ‘Surjeet’ who finds long sentences difficult to read…

The Khalsa Raj of Punjab was destroyed by the treachery of the Hindu Dogra brothers Gholab Singh and Dhian Singh who accepted the advances of the East India Company to undermine the kingdom with the kind of insidious divisions you propose now. Dhian Singh was directly involved in the murder (bludgeoning to death whilst confined in the Lahore Fort with no access to his relatives) of Ranjit’s grandson Nau Nihal Singh (who was effectively running the Sikh Empire in his father’s name Maharajah Kharak Singh who himself is thought to have been poisoned). Dhian Singh was executed for his treachery but his brother Gholab Singh was heavily rewarded by the Britishers by being given the Rajaship of Kashmir (which was part of Sikh Empire) plus money form the looted Sikh treasury. It is a consequence of that treachery that Kashmir (a largely Muslim populated state) ended up with a HIndu Maharajah which has led to present difficulties in Kashmir now. The first and second anglo sikh wars and subsequent annexation happened when Maharajah Ranjit Singh’s third heir came to the throne – the child Maharajah Duleep Singh who was surrounded by traitors and turncoats.
ANd you really should stop worrying about natural events to occur billions of years into the future. We the Sikhs will concentrate on our homeland in the Punjab on the Earth – the rest of you can emigrate.

Upon reflecting upon your spurious assertion that ‘the SIkh Kingdom was destroyed by Anglo-Sikh wars’ and the clear intimation that the British Empire (and by extension your paranoia over world order conspiracies) was responsible rather than treacherous natives it became clear to me that there are obvious parallels to present Punjab. Firstly let’s get a few facts straight. The Khalsa Raj of Maharaja Ranjit was actually a Sikh empire rather kingdom (and one of the Maharajah’s titles was indeed Emperor) as it encompassed territory from Jammu, Kashmir, greater Punjab and all the lands now forming Pakistan up to the Kybher. His was not the only Sikh soverignty at the time as there were several Sikh kingdoms south of the Sutlej (such as those ruled by the Sikh Maharajas of Nabha and Patiala). The British were afraid of attacking Maharajah Ranjit Singh both because of his military prowess (he had the foresight to recruit Napolean’s generals to instruct his army in european tactics of warfare for example) and the intense loyalty he received from all his subjects not least of which of course was the Khalsa army. Ranjit’s greatness and weakness lay in his pious Sikhi in that he saw all of his subjects whether they were Sikhs or not equally. As a consequence he had a Muslim treasurer (very loyal) and ministers like the Hindu Dogras brothers Dhian Singh (wazir) and Gholab SIngh – both of whom were loyal whilst he lived but conspired with the East India Company when it became apparent that Ranjit SIngh was dying (and again there is argument to be made that they may have been involved in hastening his demise with poisoning). The cis-Sutlej Sikh kingdoms through nothing but venality which is evident in prominent Sikhs today signed peace deals with the British to ensure they would not be taken over by Ranjit’s empire – the present Congress leader in Punjab, Amarinder Singh owes much of his position (and perhaps his mindset considering his loyalty to the Congress in Delhi – the same party which massacred Sikhs in that very city) to that fateful self interested decision made by his forefather to throw in his lot with the British rather than with his Sikh compatriots in Lahore. The murderous treachery of the Hindu Dogras Dhian and Gholab was very well documented but we also have the effects of their insidious drip drip poisoning of the state within by the likes of the SIkh turncoats they were able to hand over to the British – these included collaborators such as Generals Tej and Lal Singh who caused the loss of the first anglo sikh war by deliberately withholding both troops and ammunition to Sikhs at the battle with General Gough and supplying plans of attack to the British. We have similar treacherous turncoats today not just with the likes of Brar and KPS Gill but with Makkar and Badal too so empires whether they be british or indian can only succeed in their nefarious schemes if they have willing partners within the Sikh community ready to prostitute themselves. A SIkh has to look like one but also act like one and attempts are underway now to destroy both these characteristics of identity handed to us by Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself.

Don’t worry, after Khalistan is formed, RSS won’t have any say in anything anymore.

You’ll have to find a new job.

‘Surjeet’ / ‘Harinder’ / whatever alias you wish to use to pretend you are a Sikh, your comments expose you for the stooge you are. Couldn’t be bothered to read my comments because you were too stupid or lazy – no, you say that because you have read them and just like your compatriot / alter ego you just cannot refute the inconvenient truths (for you and your RSS Hinudvta mafia) of the historical facts. I am an Indian Sikh unlike you you hyprocrite as your language exposes that your English is foreign accented – you use words like ‘valor’ (US spelling not the spelling used in India and UK from where it originated), ‘puttin’, ‘livin’, ‘darn sure’, ‘coz’ etc. And what have the Sikhs living abroad done for their kinsmen? It is ‘not enough’ as you pretend but rather they have done far too much for your liking in keeping the spirit of Sikhism alive in their brothers who have been downtrodden by the Sarkar intent upon stamping Sikhi out here in the Sikh homeland. Do you not know how many schools and orphanages are supported by financial donations from Sikhs living abroad? Do you not know how much money is pumped into Punjab economy by Sikh investment from abroad and by the fees they pay for visas and aircraft duties (so much so that central government has gone to every length to stop direct flights to Amritsar and forces NRI Sikhs to fly to Delhi (where they keep those landing fees form going direct into Punjab’s treasury) and make the arduous journey from there to Punjab). Do you not know what a difference is made by NRI Sikhs to keeping a spotlight on human rights abuses against Sikhs in India – they embarrass Modi when he goes to the white house and downing street and make it harder for his like to pursue religious intolerance in India not to mention the pressure they can put on Badal. And then your warped thinking, Sikhs are cowardly they are leaving the Punjab (is it any wonder when their religious rights and very lives are under threat – you can be shot dead here in Punjab by the police if you protest against the sacrilege of Guru Granth Sahib) and yet you want them to leave by having NRI Sikhs take them in abroad?! You are the only one in hiding ‘Surjeet’ / ‘Harinder’ and reveal your own moral cowardice by using fake Sikh names – honestly that is the kind of propaganda policy that worked when Doorsharan was the only TV I could watch. You have to keep your rhetoric short because otherwise your lies would be exposed – I’ll keep my responses detailed so other readers (particularly the Sikhs you wish to insult and browbeat into silence) can see you for what you are. Tell your RSS / Shiv Sena / Hinduvta bosses they need to send someone with a lot more knowledge and articulation to post on this website as you are far too inadequate for the task.

‘Sikhs were once known for valor, now they just chicken out’ – You never heard of Bapu Surat Singh Khalsa, 92 year-old Sikh on hunger strike today for the release of Sikh political prisoners who have served their sentences in jail? ‘Surjeet’ you can’t even spell ‘valour’ let alone comprehend what it is you duffer because you are not a Sikh but merely hiding behind a name pretending to be one. Cowardice is your people’s heritage so I pity you.

Excellent reply Bhai Sahib, very detailed and impressive response.

The site moderators should just ban “Harinder”, self-admitted RSS terrorist from commenting on this site because he’s really nothing but a waste of your time.

Sikhs do not get justice in Indian courts RSS Harinder – ask the victims of Delhi 1984 still waiting 31+years and make your statement ‘If he has broken the law then he must have the courage to face the courts in India . It is not good to run away from ones deeds how so ever painful they may be’ to the likes of Kamal Nath, Sajjan Kumar, Jagdish Tytler etc who have all been living unmolested in India all these years because as non-Sikhs they have never had to flee the country to save their lives. Gurmeet Pinky has also exposed the truth of the violent behaviour of the Punjab police who would take a Sikh into custody before they ever managed to appear in court. And as we are talking about those are supposed to uphold the law (let alone break it) can you tell me if those police officers who shot dead Sikhs for protesting against sacrilege of Guru Granth Sahib have been arrested and put before the court to face charges of unlawful killing if not outright murder? Sumedh Saini for the allegations made against him for brutal torture and murder of Sikhs in his custody? Justice is supposed to be blind but that is simply not the case in India when it comes to Sikhs and until that position is remedied India should not be dishonouring the ideals upon which she was founded in 1947 by continuing witch hunts against the Sikhs (or any other minorities or dissident voices for that matter) which are clearly being prosecuted for the sake of instilling fear amongst the wider Sikh population.

Also you are always very keen for Sikhs to expend (some would say waste) their efforts in getting justice for the Sikh victims of 1984 genocide in foreign courts rather than Indian courts so why not try this man in European court for his alleged ‘crimes’? The reason why not is clearly because the burden of proof and evidence would not pass the test in Portugal where it would be plain for everyone to see. Better to get him dragged back to India into the Kafkaesque world of the Indian Courts where he can languish in jail for years before being tried in court, then get convicted on poor evidence and then keep him in jail even when his sentence has finished until someone like Bapu Surat Singh goes on hunger strike to raise awareness of the human rights abuse of political prisoners. Truth and reconciliation Harinder starts with a stop to persecution of Sikhs today so we can then look at the abuses and injustices carried out in the past against them – you don’t add insult to injury to heal old wounds.