:dateline:Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) has irked at�comments made by the Indian president Pranab Mukharji in his newly published book, Turbulent Years,�on the Indian army attack on supreme Sikh shrine Sri Darbar Sahib, carried out by Indian government in June, 1984. Surprisingly, however,�it hasn’t reacted to saffron party BJP�s statesman Lal Krishan Advani�s autobiography �My Country � My life� attacks Sikh sentiments.
On Saturday, in a press statement issued here, SGPC spokesperson and additional secretary Diljit Singh Bedi slammed Mukharaji for justifying the attack on Darbar Sahib in his book stating that the facts given in the book are unauthentic.
�To what�extent it is right saying that Operation Blue Star is justifiable? Teaching a lesson to Sikhs was the sole motive of the then Congress government in carrying out army action against the�shrine. Congress has never apologized for the attack�, he said.
He added, �Considering Sikhs, who have contributed so much�to the country, as a danger to the unity and integrity of�the country is ironic. Very soon, the book will be studied completely and analyzed so that the truth is exposed�.
Interestingly, the SGPC has not commented on Advani�s book, which expresses that the BJP too suggested to the then Indian prime minister Indra Gandhi to launch attack on Darbar Sahib, to eliminate �terrorists�. In this book, Advani also calls Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale a �Mehsha-sur�, a mythological destroyer of Hindu gods and godesses.
Lashing out at the�Sikh�body, Sikh leaders termed the latest statements�as a double�standard.
I forgot was it gutter or was it cow dung that is so sacred!! amazing you lot believe in so much and so360 billion or so gods and godesses but still cannot learn anything about humanity that is probably because of the snake and monkey gods of course!!!!!
RSS Sharm-inder – now answer everything M Singh has said – you cannot can you? you pathetic RSS agents – belong to the gutter – Punjab belongs to Sikhs and they will have it! Raaj Karega Khalsa!!
Very well explained M Singh! Admire your knowledge!
Hai rss man u are very well trained by ur organization but they dont taught u one thing that i am goona tell u – Sikhs have always akal purakh with them haha
We will have a inclusive Punjab for all .
We may be in majority but that does not mean that it belongs to us.
It will belongs to all of those who were in Punjab before us and will come to Punjab after us.
Lord Rams followers , Bhagvat Geeta followers ,Quran followers ,Bible followers .
Punjab belongs to all of us.
WE THE PUNJABIS.
How can you have inclusive Punjab for all when those who have given the most for it (yes it is the Sikhs) and who are most identified with it culturally, historically and religiously (yes again the Sikhs) are persecuted, arrested, tortured and killed because just because they are Sikhs. The Punjab does belong to us because of the blood, sweat and tears we have put into its very soil. We have never forsaken it nor our mother tongue Punjabi. The best guarantor of other people’s religious rights are the Sikhs because we are the only religion which does not believe it has a monopoly on God – that is self evident both in our doctrine and in practice under the Khalsa Raj.
I know what you all will do when we will hand over power to all of you.
You will strictly enforce the 5 K and have harsh punishment’s for those disobeying it.
You will be like the Sikh version of Wahababis and Salafists
You shall believing the Purity and Glory of past Khalsa and deride the modern way a Sikh wants to live in the contemporary world .
Never to you fanatics we will hand over Punjab what ever it takes.
We remember how you messed Punjab up in 1980- 1990 by killing innocent people in the fair name of Sikhism.
You all fanatics need to kept under check and control.
There we have it RSS Harinder, give you enough rope and like Judas you hang yourself. After all your pernicious attempts at trying to pass yourself off as a Sikh (and let�s face it you were finding it tough not even being able to remember the names of the Gurus in earlier posts) in order to drip-drip poison we see who you truly are because you cannot even keep your temper under check and control. Your so-called �fears� are just anti-Sikh propaganda and paranoia as there is zero evidence for what you claim as the Sikh religion is not a proselytising faith, we don�t punish people for leaving Sikhism so if you cannot adhere to the tenets of the faith go and join and another faith. In the decades of the Khalsa Raj of Maharajah Ranjit Singh Hindus and Muslims were perfectly able to go about their business without being forced to convert to Sikhism. So the religious and historical precedent completely exposes your lie. What you really mean is that you want to �call� yourself a �Sikh� but not actually practise Sikh values because your personal peccadilloes don�t want morals and ethics impinging on your conscience, you just want the ritualistic aspects of religiosity to give you come cultural comfort and air of respectability. In that case just be a Hindu (bound to be a deity that will allow you to indulge your vices with a veneer of religiosity) or make up your own narcissistic rockstar religion like Ram Rahim has. There is no penalty for you changing your religion in Sikhism nor is there any favoured nations status (Maharajah Ranjit Singh in his Sikh Empire very famously had a Muslim treasurer and Hindu Dogra ministers (who admittedly did betray his trust)) although I find it hypocritical of you when you defend the obvious nepotism and corruption under Badal�s regime. Believe me the last thing Sikhs want is for someone like you to take on the visage of a Sikh and bring nothing but bednami to the kaum. If you are a Hindu, be a good Hindu. If you are a Muslim, be a good Muslim. Sikh philosophy is live and let live and that was capably demonstrated during the Khalsa Raj setting historical precedent.
You don�t believe in the 5Ks which are necessary to be baptised into the Sikh faith (so must be utterly frustrated that Sikhs celebrate Vaisakhi every year with such gusto), you repudiate Guru Hargobind�s concept of Miri-Miri, Guru Gobind Singh�s inauguration of authority to the Panj Pyare (which utterly frustrates your desire to create a puppet priesthood) and you constantly defend Badal (another puppet who protects police who murder innocent Sikhs on the street for daring to protest against sacrilege against Guru Granth Sahib). Tell me which bit of Sikhism can you actually ascribe to? After all whether you have the commitment to be baptised in the faith or not the fundamentals of its doctrine can be found in non religious texts easily enough. 1) There is only ONE God. He is timeless, formless, omnipotent and has never been immanent in human form upon the Earth so no avatars or deities (complete rejection of your Lord Ram and all his Gods and Goddesses, demons, flying monkey kings etc) 2) He has created all human beings equal. So that rules out the legitimacy of the disgusting caste system. 3) There is no such thing as auspicious timing, astrology or horoscopes. 4) Neither the cow nor the Ganga are sacred and ritualistic worship is entirely a waste of time. 5) A Sikh is to stand up not just for his own liberty but for those who are too weak to do so for themselves. You know the dying bit that the Khalsa has always done and is charged with always doing. You can�t even get it into your thick head to accept the historical facts of the pogroms AGAINST the Sikhs during the 80s and 90s despite murderers like Gurmeet Pinky coming forward and confessing let alone all the overwhelming evidence from eye witnesses and human rights organisations! That is the definition of a fanatic RSS Harinder when you make yourself deaf, dumb and blind to all evidence contrary to your world view which renders that view illogical, irrational and unsupportable � you know like the wahhabis and salafist you take such inspiration from along with your Nazi SS poster boys.
So you don�t want to see Sikhs in their dastaars – what are the �modern� Sikhs you wish us all to emulate? Let us see from your past comments you think �Sunny Leone�, a PORN STAR whose own family has disowned her for disgracing their honour, would be a suitable role model for Sikh women (presumably so you could justify your �urges�) and men like Badal as a role model Sikh?! No wait you don�t like turbans. Except on stooges who are prepared to murder other Sikhs and destroy the Sikh homeland, I get it. And what do you mean �you will never hand over power to you�? You mean even if we win elections you still won�t accept the result and will instigate terror and disorder to bring in a state of emergency to restore your goons? You are not a democrat but rather a demagogue, a Hinduvta fanatic intent upon infiltrating and eating away at the core values of the Sikh faith not only because they espouse justice for all people regardless of so called caste but because the Hinduvta ideology is utterly undone unless you can bring Sikhism into your smothering fold because it is not (as you decry Islam and Christianity as being) a �foreign� religion to the soil of the subcontinent. I can well imagine the threat to your RSS small monkey brain; Sikhism is an indigenous religious faith that therefore cannot be assailed in the same Ghar Wapsi �anti-national� bullshit manner that you assault Islam and Christianity and it refuses to bow and agree with your conception of Gods, Goddesses, caste, Astrology, etc. And on top of that the Sikhs have martial prowess which you RSS dogs have no hope of being able to match so you can�t even beat us in a fair fight which again strikes at the very heart of your delusion of Hinduvta �warriorhood�. I laugh at your threats because they are as impotent as your forebears who couldn�t even raise their heads let alone their hands whilst they were down on their knees begging the Wahabi / Salafist Moghul to please convert them to Islam whilst the Khalsa was standing up and fighting for his dignity – and yours, you pathetic, ignorant worthless ingrate.
Show some courage (you know that defiant stuff you admire and are so jealous of when you see a Singh) and at least use your own name and identity when you post instead of hiding behind alias of �Harinder� � Sharm-inder is more like it � you are living example of the �mental� in fundamentalist. �Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh� � this most elementary Sikh invocation translates as �The Khalsa belongs to God, and Victory belongs to God�. You are interested in making black money in Punjab, selling, consuming drugs and alcohol, watching porn of Sunny Leone (you know the modern lifestyle you espouse a �Sikh� should follow) so instead of ripping saroops and the Gurmat from the Gurdwaras in Punjab why don�t you just move down to Tamil Nadu as you always talklng about Punjabis moving out to pastures new (other lands and the stars)? Lots of monkey worshipping temples in Tamil Nadu as we know how much you love Ramayan fiction, no Gurdwaras or Sikhs to prick your morality, you might even get a good tan (oh, hang on skin colour might cause problems with your racist proclivities) and it is a long way away from any threat of Afghan Taliban) so you can continue to boast about Hinduvta warriorhood without the danger of ever having to fight. The Punjab belongs to the Sikhs, make no mistake and we aim to keep it because it is our Homeland. And remember Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh � rats cannot beat lions in a fight. P.S. Oh, and stop mentioning books that you haven�t read and can�t possibly understand in pathetic attempt to pass off intelligentsia credentials � we all know you only picked Orwell�s novel because it was called �1984� and the word �dystopia� jumped off the blurb on the back. Stick with Hitler�s �Mein Kampf� as its incoherent racist bile, rambling fantasy rewriting of historical events, hatred of peoples with a distinct religious identity and degenerate love of swastikas is more your gutter level of comprehension. It was also the Bible for the Nazi SS that your RSS models itself after. Hang on, �Bible� that sounds like it�s both foreign (therefore obviously anti-national) and may contain spiritual principles about ethics, morality, monotheism and solidarity of man � you don�t want that, right, �Sharm-inder�?
You all want to turn Punjab is into a
Taliban state.
We will not allow Punjab to be ruled by religious fanatics.
You reveal your true evil self RSS Harinder when you make such an absurd statement totally ignoring SIkh history which defeated the Taliban Moghuls and Afghans when your forefathers were on their knees begging to be converted rather than face the sword. Why do you think there more Muslims in India than there are in Pakistan? Because your forebears were too cowardly to resist forced conversion to Islam and had to wait for the Sikhs to rise to slam the door shut on the Khyber for all time. And this is your gratitude?! It is NOT religious fanaticism for Sikhs to be able to wear their dastaars in public without being arrested for showing their identity. It is NOT religious fanaticism for Sikhs to protest in the streets of the Sikh Homeland when sacrilege is carried out against their Guru. It is NOT religious fanaticism for Sikhs to protest when they are being murdered in the streets by police officers under political pressure for being Sikhs! It is our human rights! And it is religious intolerance being wrought by your Akali Badal / HInduvta fundamentalism which is intent upon exterminating the Sikh faith in its own homeland. WE will NOT allow you to do that RSS Harinder – the days of butchering Sikhs for just being Sikhs are over in this age of the internet, smart phone citizen reporting and the pressure NRI Sikhs can bring to bear on foreign countries which kept silent before (the very reason Modi went to the UK with his slander sheet of Sikh names and institutions he wanted to neutralise before he embarks on religious fanaticism in the Punjab to follow his HInduvta campaigns against Indian Muslims and Christians). You and your Badal / RSS nexus are the Taliban in India – hell the RSS has already been officially recognised by police as being a terrorist organisation. Former Maharastraa Inspector General of Police S M Mushrif termed the BJP�s ideological mentor RSS as India�s top terrorist organisation in November 2015. He claims that RSS activists have been indicted in at least 13 terror cases across India. �RSS activists have been charge sheeted in at least 13 cases of terror acts in which RDX explosives has been used. IF organisations like Bajrang Dal are taken into account then the number of such cases goes up to 17��, said Mushrif.�The RSS is India�s number one terrorist organisation, there is no doubt on this� said Mushrif, referring to the 2007 Mecca Masjid bombing in Hyderabad, the 2006 and 2008 Malegaon blasts in Maharashtra and the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings among others. �The RSS as a terror organisation has nothing to do with political power. It is immaterial which party is in power. It is the system that is working, it�s the Brahminical system. And when I say Brahminical, it doesn�t mean the Brahmin, it�s the mentality, the attitude to dominate and oppress� he said.
1984 was a Orwellian Punjab and India
The police state mentality in Punjab remains to this day as does doublethink and newspeak. I don�t think you would raise Orwell’s 1984 novel for discussion if you actually read it Harinder as it is a scathing critique of the doublespeak kind of governance you actually champion for the Punjab. Orwell�s other masterpiece Animal Farm is even more pertinent and denunciating so I�d stay away from that one too as it vividly destroys your cheerleading for unthinking support for authority figures (out of fear of violent retribution from them).
The main comment above has already done the job of ‘studying completely and analysing’ the so-called leader’s book, and probably in a way much than the ‘committee’ could ever hope to do. When will the abuse of the peoples at the hands of this state be widely recognised?
Are you on drugs ? Are you a Woman ?
I ask a specific question and I get bizzarre replies
I repeat the question :–
Is Punjab 1984 a manifest destiny of the novel by English author George Orwell �1984�
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four.
Read the book and then we will discuss.
The answer is no to all your questions. No need to discuss.
Also you’d be better off reading Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’ – it will give you a much better understanding of politics and how Badal started off and what he eventually became i.e. An initially well meaning swine who became a dictatorial pig rearing vicious attack dogs as his own private police (Punjab police) to exploit and control his brethren and then finally collaborating with the master farmer (Hinduvta) to sell them (all the SIkhs that had believed and trusted in him to do good for the Punjab) for dog food to make himself rich.
Although I can see why Orwell’s ‘1984’ might appeal to you with that famous line ‘If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever’ being very resonant for your message to the Sikhs in Punjab when it comes to being ruled by the Badal / Hinduvta nexus. You want a totalitarian state which has absolute control over every action and thought of its people through propaganda, secrecy, constant surveillance, and harsh punishment but like Winston Smith I say ‘Down with Big Brother!’
Two Indian books from two �leaders� of the country � one the Indian President and one a BJP statesmen � concluded despite all the contrary evidence (read the human rights reports, the eyewitness reports, the leaked intelligence cables etc) and devastation wrought that the attack on the Vatican of the Sikhs was justified?! It shocks me to the core that such absurd, prejudiced conclusions can be reached after all this time when the dust has cleared and settled and truth is blindingly obvious as to what Operation Bluestar was really about � teaching the uppity Sikhs a lesson in humility and servility, bringing them to heel to the Governmental Centre in the way a bad master yanks a choke chain about his dog. The Sikh union with the Indian it seems increasingly to me is akin to a marriage souring. The Sikhs are the woman spouse. Yes I know that sounds a little counter intuitive if not demeaning considering the obviously masculine Sikh martial prowess but I think we should reflect that a female is an equal partner and the fact that the Sikhs have effectively been screwed royally if not raped of their dignity and rights from the start of this marriage. The Sikhs were also analogously seduced and cajoled into marriage with all sorts of promises which as soon as the ring was on the finger were dispensed with shortly after. Despite complaining about the breaking of these promises, the Sikhs, like any honourable bride tries to make the best of things because she feels love for her partner who up till that point had a great deal in common with her so could be expected to come back to his senses and honour his role as loving groom so that they might share a blissful marital home together. But this husband becomes regularly drunk (with power and delusions of his own self importance as his vanity and ego are challenged by the bride�s kandan � Sikh valour and sacrifice has freed India so the in-laws if you like to the husband are a constant niggling reminder of his own inadequacies. He decides to exert his authority in this �marriage of equals� (Yes, RSS Harinder, Sikhs do regard a husband and wife has being equals, Guru Nanak taught us this from the very beginning) so begins humiliating his spouse, degrading her, refusing her entreaties to do justice to the point where instead of just trying to reason with him she has to sit down and write him a letter of complaint (the Anandpur Sahib Resolution) so that they might resolve this growing divide between them. He not only ignores the complaint, he ridicules it, asserts himself gloatingly that what can she do if he refuses to accept any of her grievances let alone act to address them? Where can she go? Her home is gone, she is tied with him now and has to accept her lower menial role despite her ancestry and heritage. He strikes her (the murders of Sikhs in 1978) to make his point not to write any more such impertinent demands. She refuses to come to heel and publicly humiliates him (the Sikhs do this to Indira Gandhi being prominent in their refusal to accept her growing despotism when she illegally calls a national emergency in the country in order to avoid going to jail having been found guilty of election fraud by a court in Ahmedabad). He beats her unprovoked and viciously (Operation Bluestar) then starts to do this as a matter of course (Operation Black Thunder and the murderous illegal activities of a police state in Punjab where Sikh youth are kidnapped, tortured and murdered extra judicially simply for wearing their hair uncut). So this bride is being abused and belittled as a matter of course for decades until the husband decides �well, you still have an air of the unbowed about you so now that I am satisfied I have physically and emotionally battered you, let�s start tearing you down spiritually as well� (widespread sacrilege of Guru Granth Sahib, repudiation of Panj Pyare, Miri Piri) �so there is nothing to keep you standing up in my presence�. So he begins to humiliate her now in public as well as behind closed doors � submission to a lecherous stranger at the door like Ram Rahim, the repudiation of Sikh martial history in the republic parades etc. It seems to me a point has to be reached where such a bride has to decide whether she is going to accept being one of those poor abused women who love their husbands so much / are afraid of their husbands so much that they cannot bear to leave them (you know the type, they turn up at a police station with ripped clothes, bloodied lips and black eye who tearfully defend their wife-beating husbands; �Oh, he didn�t mean it, he still loves me, deep down he is a good man and will change if I give him one more chance�, Or whether she still retains enough spirit, character and self-worth to be able to stand up for herself and say No More! Enough is enough! Sometimes in these circumstances a marriage / union of two peoples is destined for a separation and even divorce. There are only three options. One, reconciliation where the abusive husband (yes, I am looking at you paternalistic India) comes to his senses and realises the wrongs he has done and commits himself to genuinely reform his behaviour to his maltreated partner (who is not going to accept living as a second class citizen in her own home no matter his threats that she �submissively behaves�). Two, amicable divorce where the spouses go their separate ways with equitable sharing out of their marital assets (the Sikhs as brides have effectively built the country and defended it throughout the marriage). The Sikhs are generous and magnanimous people and would be prepared to walk away with less than their fair share going with what they brought into the marriage � their ancestral Sikh homeland of the Punjab. The third way of course is when the indignant husband will not admit his wrongdoing let alone desire to mend his bad ways (his ego will insist that the woman is again at fault) and continues to stalk, harass and assail his spouse who wants no further part of such an abusive relationship. In that situation (we have all seen the bollywood films with such scenarios) the woman must fight for her very life let alone liberty. So come on India, mend your ways or we will leave you alone, without our skirts to hide under from your next-door neighbours, the Afghan Jihadi and the Communist Chinese. These two Indian leaders who continue to spurn the Sikh (and who no doubt subscribe to the warped view prevalent in Indian male mindset that raped woman must have done something provocative to have been raped which can then be used to justify the act and absolve the rapist from guilt) are even wearing the Nehru suits of that first unfaithful suitor who seduced the Sikhs into taking his hand in matrimony in 1947 and no doubt underneath are similarly wearing saris in tribute to Indira as they whitewash the sins of 1984. As for the SGPC being �unhappy� about these books � they shed only crocodile tears as they were falling over themselves to prostitute Sikhi to the likes of the rhinestone rockstar rapper Ram Rahim; like one of those greedy marriage brokers who don�t give a damn about making unsuitable matches so long as they are paid.
is there a link between the
Punjab 1984
and
dystopian novel by English author George Orwell “1984”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
There was a British hand in Punjab 1984.
This raises the question that books have a Manifest destiny in human societies ?
The answer is No as the British hand in Punjab 1984 (supplying an SAS Major in January 1984 to plan an attack on the Darbar Sahib) was slapped away by the Indian Army who insisted on their very own calamitous plan of attack which proved to be even more disastrous.