Akal Takht Sahib Panj Piare May Recognize Jathedar Jagtar Singh Hawara

:dateline:Sri Akal Takht Sahib Amrit Sanchar Punj Piare may be set to recognize Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara as the Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib.

Sikh24 has learned from internal sources within the SGPC that�Bhai Satnam Singh Khanda, Bhai Mangal Singh, Bhai Tarlok Singh, Bhai Satnam Singh and Bhai Major Singh have met with various Panthik personalities to discuss the on-going crisis within the Panth. �They had earlier given an ultimatum to the SGPC to oust the the currently unaccepted Jathedars.

Although the Panj Piare have not yet publicly endorsed Jathedar Hawara’s selection, credible sources suggest that they are inclining to support the decisions taken at the Sarbat Khalsa 2015 regarding the appointment of the Jathedars.

The SGPC executive panel has not yet taken any concrete steps following the ultimatum by the Panj Piare. �So far, the SGPC has not made any announcements about termination of the Jathedars.

 

18 COMMENTS

  1. No Slip about my being an RSS member .
    I am not one but I would not be ashamed of being one .
    I can be its proud member if I feel the need of it.

    • So you are openly admitting to being a supporter of a terrorist organisation! Former Maharastraa Inspector General of Police S M Mushrif termed the BJP�s ideological mentor RSS as India�s top terrorist organisation in November 2015. He claims that RSS activists have been indicted in at least 13 terror cases across India. �RSS activists have been charge sheeted in at least 13 cases of terror acts in which RDX explosives has been used. IF organisations like Bajrang Dal are taken into account then the number of such cases goes up to 17��, said Mushrif.�The RSS is India�s number one terrorist organisation, there is no doubt on this� said Mushrif, referring to the 2007 Mecca Masjid bombing in Hyderabad, the 2006 and 2008 Malegaon blasts in Maharashtra and the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings among others. �The RSS as a terror organisation has nopthing to do with political power. IT is immaterial which party is in power. It is the system that is working, it�s the Brahminical system. And when I say Brahminical, it doesn�t mean the Brahmin, it�s the mentality, the attitude to dominate and oppress� he said.

  2. Ramayana and Mahabharata are true how so ever hard any one may try to disprove it or close his eyes .

    As a Sikh since we believe in Universal God we do recognize divinity of
    all GODS manifestation From Lord Ram , Lord Krishna , Lord Jesus . Allah etc etc .

    • You are not a Sikh so you are deliberately trying to conflate Sikhism monotheism with Hinduism’s polytheism. Whilst Sikhs can accept that Muslims have a different name for the only One True God (as they are a monotheistic faith) as Allah, and that Jews have a different name for the one true God Jehovah (as they are a monotheistic faith also) we do NOT believe in Jesus Christ being a manifestation of God upon the Earth as Sikhism is very clear that God has never been immanent in human form upon the earth. This means we also reject so called avatars like Krishna Ram etc and the ‘manifestions of divinity’ you as a Hindu believe in (we also totally reject polytheism and the pantheon of Gods and Goddesses, the caste system, horoscopes, idol worshipping, astrology, cows and the Ganges as being sacred etc). You want to believe in fictional epic poems like the ramayana and mahabharat (for which there is NO archealogical evidence and in the instance of Hanuman no evidence that monkeys, kings or not, could talk and fly) that’s fine, you are Hindu and should just be content with that identity and religion. I have no wish to convert you from your delusions if they give you some sense of spirituality but will protect the sanctity of Sikh religious doctrinal beliefs as Sikhism is not a pick and mix theology where you can dispense with those concepts that are inconvenient, uncomfortable for your personal peccadilloes like standing up for your and other peoples civil liberties and human rights.

  3. Incidentally I am not RSS .
    Not that there is any thing wrong with being a member of RSS.
    Rather you suffer from RSS obsessive compulsive neurosis.

    • You are a member and supporter of the RSS – this is evident not only in the rhetoric you continually and repeatedly espouse on this website (such as trying to conflate Hindu beliefs which are antithetical to Sikh beliefs like believing in Ramayana, Mahabharat, Lord Ram etc) but also in the slip you made yourself in stating in a previous posting ‘So what if I am a member of RSS, what’s wrong in it?’. As for your objection to me highlighting what the RSS stands for then obviously I share ‘obsessive compulsive neurosis’ that former Maharastraa Inspector General of Police S M Mushrif does when he termed the BJP�s ideological mentor RSS as India�s top terrorist organisation in November 2015. He claims that RSS activists have been indicted in at least 13 terror cases across India. �RSS activists have been charge sheeted in at least 13 cases of terror acts in which RDX explosives has been used. IF organisations like Bajrang Dal are taken into account then the number of such cases goes up to 17��, said Mushrif.�The RSS is India�s number one terrorist organisation, there is no doubt on this� said Mushrif, referring to the 2007 Mecca Masjid bombing in Hyderabad, the 2006 and 2008 Malegaon blasts in Maharashtra and the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings among others. �The RSS as a terror organisation has nopthing to do with political power. IT is immaterial which party is in power. It is the system that is working, it�s the Brahminical system. And when I say Brahminical, it doesn�t mean the Brahmin, it�s the mentality, the attitude to dominate and oppress� he said.

    • I like science fiction as much as the next person and get my fill from watching the movies for this but you are going to have to face some facts even if not the historical home truths I have repeatedly brought to your attention. Parallel Universes are nothing more than theoretical and as with interstellar space travel going to be impossible to realise (certainly in your lifetime) because even if a means could be invented (such as time machines and worm holes) the energy required to burst through one ‘reality’ into a possible other is beyond what energy exists in our known universe. This should be enough to convince you that Waheguru really doesn’t intend for mankind to go off and mingle with other aspects of his creation and who can blame Him when we seem to be unable to get along on this wonderful planet he has created for us to live on. If your intent is to live forever then there is no other path than that of the Gurmukh finding the grace of God within you and doing enough in your life to abandon ego and the temptations of manmukh to merge back into Him.

  4. Have you seen the Refugees fleeing from Syria and Iraq to Europe.
    Have you seen the Refugees fleeing in 1947 from Pakistan and India.
    Have you seen the Japanese surrender in WW-2 after the Nukes.
    So every body loves his life including your self.

    • Everybody has to die ‘RSS Harinder’ – it is natural and inevitable but there is a difference between living as a free human being and existing as a slave. A Sikh concerns himself with how he lives – quality not quantity – because He believes in Waheguru and has to answer to Him. You do not have even one more second of life than that which God has not prescribed for you so a Sikh is not afraid of death. There would be no refugees fleeing anywhere if people realised they are all God’s children and treated their neighbours as they would wish to be treated.

  5. India and Empire are hand and gloves on many things among them is the World order the Empire has created .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_order

    This will play out like this .
    They will provoke you in several ways by injustices .

    When you will defend yourself they will label you as “Terrorist” and
    then bring all the security apparatus of State , Nations and Empire on all of us

    • That has been done throughout Sikh history by the Moghuls, the British and now the Indians – yet the Sikhs still endure and indeed have increased in both numbers and resolve. Waheguru is with us, that is why you live in fear and dread whilst we live in Chardi Kala. Gandhi was labelled terrorist, Menachem Begin was labelled terrorist – now they are both recognised as freedom fighters for their countries. The only Empire that controls you is the fear of losing your life but for a Sikh it is losing his honour for that was bestowed to him by the Gurus.

  6. As for Mr Hawara as our leader .
    He will be used by Empire for their benifiet and then dumped like

    1) Osama Bin Laden
    2) Jarnail Singh Bhinderwala.

    • No one on this website is buying your delusional / cynical slight of hand distraction of trying to pass the buck of responsibility from the Indian Sarkar to foreign empires (particularly the ones like the British which are long dead). You also do nothing but expose yourself as anti Sikh with your attempts to constantly link Sikh dissidents with terrorism and to by doing so think to instil fear in the wider population. What the hell has Osam Bin Laden got to with SIkhs – his and lets face it your and RSS hegemony ideals of religious domination are completely contrary to Sikh doctrine and if he had dared to step into the PUnjab the Sikhs would have disposed of him much as they had previously done with his taliban Moghul / Afghan forefathers.

  7. RSS. has nothing to do with us.
    It is a Indian. based organization.
    We are not policeman for them.
    We are a universal faith.
    RSS is one among many faith based organization on this planet earth.
    Why don’t you show concerns about right wingers in other faiths.

    • RSS is a clear and present danger not only to the Sikhs (with its agenda of embracing Sikhism into the fold of Hinduism) but to all other religious minorities in India. Their beliefs are akin to the Moghul belief of hegemony and dominance over other peoples in the subcontinent and as such the Khalsa’s response must be the same – to resist such despotism. IN the RSS case it is also currently the militant woing of the ruling BJP which gives it enormous power and influence to use the apparatus of a nation state against peoples it does not consider to be pure. One only has to look at its programme of rewriting unfavourable (to its image) history in school text books in India and its abominal Ghar Wapsi initiative to see the danger. I have previously and at length explained to you its obvious parallels to the Nazi SS’s notions of national purity and just as the Sikhs fought against those fascists in north Africa and Italy we will fight them here in India too for the sake of not just our own liberty but those of other vulnerable minorities (whether they be Christian, Muslim or even Hindu so that the Dalit is free to choose what station in life he wishes to attain and break those shackles of caste the RSS is intent upon maintaining). As for right wingers of other faiths, Sikh history shows that we have fought and beaten the likes of the Isis / Taliban minded Moghuls as well as British and Japanese Imperialists so don’t feel too victimised that the Sikhs are turning their attention to the creeping malignancy of the RSS – it is just our duty as Sikhs to face down all oppressors because Guru Gobind Singh Ji told us too and there is no way despite the likes of SGPC lackeys like Makkar that we will ignore that edict otherwise how long might it be before the RSS / SHiv Sena demagogues start making claims that Darbar Sahib in Amritsar has been built on some fictitious Hindu deity’s birthplace?. And your plea that we are not policeman (and by extension should therefore stand by and do nothing when we see abuses and injustice done against ourselves and others) is totally antithetical to Sikh belief (which I can understand you find infuriating as a Hindu) – it is the moral responsibility of every Sikh to stand up to repression and that is why to a very large extent India became free in 1947 despite Sikhs being a tiny proportion of the populace their contribution and sacrifice for independence is greater than any other peoples of the subcontinent. You are right only in that Sikhism is a universal faith and the sooner its ideals and concepts of liberty are accepted by the Hinduvta gangs the better it will be for all of India.

  8. No doubt ‘Harinder’ (not his real name) you would prefer that the corrupt SGPC and its equally corrupt Akali Badal bedfellows remain in power to continue their magnificent reign over Sikh affairs. And stop using the word ‘We’ – you are not a Sikh but a Hindu (who has previously admitted on this website that you are also a RSS member which is the biggest terrorist organisation in India – see below) posing as a Sikh to try and engender fear in Sikhs so that they behave like compliant sheep that can be easily herded up and sheared. Sikh internal affairs are none of your business and you should not play the dangerous game of trying to infiltrate and manipulate the practice of Sikh doctrine.
    Former Maharastraa Inspector General of Police S M Mushrif termed the BJP�s ideological mentor RSS as India�s top terrorist organisation in November 2015. He claims that RSS activists have been indicted in at least 13 terror cases across India. �RSS activists have been charge sheeted in at least 13 cases of terror acts in which RDX explosives has been used. IF organisations like Bajrang Dal are taken into account then the number of such cases goes up to 17��, said Mushrif.�The RSS is India�s number one terrorist organisation, there is no doubt on this� said Mushrif, referring to the 2007 Mecca Masjid bombing in Hyderabad, the 2006 and 2008 Malegaon blasts in Maharashtra and the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings among others. �The RSS as a terror organisation has nopthing to do with political power. IT is immaterial which party is in power. It is the system that is working, it�s the Brahminical system. And when I say Brahminical, it doesn�t mean the Brahmin, it�s the mentality, the attitude to dominate and oppress� he said.

  9. This may back fire .
    It may lead to lot of difficulties for NRI Sikhs.
    We will be seen as supporter of Terrorism by the World in this era of “War on Terrorism” .
    I would suggest we should not play this dangerous game .

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