RSS Is India’s Number One Terror Group Says Ex-Mumbai Top Cop

“I guess you know our Ardass. It starts as ‘Pratham Bhagwati Simar Ke'”

It’s actually “Pritham BHAGAUTEE (a type of sword still used by Nihangs today) simar kai, Gur Nanak laee dhiaa-e” and not Bhagvati, the Hindu Goddess you RSS terrorists try so desperately to link with the opening of the Sikh ardas.

Ramayana and Mahabharata are nothing more than the figments of a bored imagination.

Just because it says so in a book does not make it necessarily so, especially when you are talking about fantastical creatures likes Gods, Goddesses, demons etc otherwise we would have to believe in the monsters of yore depicted in epic poems like Beowulf and Homer’s Iliad. Evidence comes from historical sources (i.e. are there contemporary reports which confirm events and most particularly are there such reports from reliable parties such as those who had no interest in perpetuating the story in question) as well as from physical examination (archaeology, carbon dating, geophysical examinations of sites, morphological and anatomical examination of bodily remains, etc). As a Sikh I am sanguine for you to believe in Hindu theology (even though it cannot pass the tests above) as ultimately you have faith in something more than yourself and Sikhism teaches us that all humans will eventually make that enlightened journey back to God but you have no right to try and make Sikhs bear-hug beliefs which are contrary to Sikh teaching. Most Sikhs are descended from Hindu lineage but certainly not all so again there is an element of respect for our Hindu brethren and indeed for all people as Sikhs comprehend that all humans are our kinsmen so saying that Sikhs should stick with Hindu teachings so as not to upset our ancestors is absurd. Guru Nanak made this very point clear to Sikhs when he started throwing water to his fields hundreds of miles away in the Punjab whilst Hindus about him were throwing it up to their dead ancestors in the hereafter. Sikhism is an enlightened and progressive faith which utterly rejects ritualism and blind Brahmanical obeisance and has the incredible good luck of being a young enough religion that archaeological and historical evidence is readily available (read the Moghul Court reports and those of the British East India Company and European travellers and missionaries) even though Operation Bluestar sought to rob relics from the Darbar Sahib Museum and library. Believe in your RSS doctrine but don’t try to lever such heretical talk into Sikhism. For a Sikh there is but One God and He has never been present in human or any other avatar form upon the Earth so we cannot and do not believe in the Ramayana or Mahabharat as being anything more than allegorical myths from which moral understanding can be derived in the same way as might be gleaned from Aesop’s fables.

I have already told you that their names could be inspired by the epic stories of Hindu mythology as the culture of the Punjab at the time was Hindu. Names in the west are similarly inspired by European epics such as Homer’s Iliad (There is no evidence that Helen of Troy ever existed but many girls are named Helen for example) There is absolutely no historical or archeological evidence to support the myths of the Ramayana and Mahabharata epics and Sikh theology is adamant that it rejects the notion of a hierarchy of deities and avatars so as a Sikh you cannot subscribe to the existence of creatures like Hanuman (Flying, talking Monkey King) and Ganesh (a deity with an elephant’s head atop a human body which is anatomically impossible). I know you want to try and fuse Hinduism and Sikhism together but I am afraid that is quite impossible as they are two quite separate belief systems with Sikhism’s insistence on monotheism and rejection of caste as prime examples of distinction. I am happy for you to believe in your Hindu idelogy but please do not try and confuse others by applying that to Sikhism.

‘Harinder’ you have already admitted your are a member of the Hindu extremist RSS so it is not surprising you continue to hide behind a Sikh name but you only expose yourself even more with your anti-Sikh assertions and the non-role the RSS played in fighting both Mughal and British rule (I have addressed this with you before and have reposted my comments to which you had no answer for other readers below) . Sikhs regard Ram and the Mahabharata as nothing more than fictional mythical epic stories – none of the characters ever existed in reality. As a Hindu you are perfectly entitled to believe whatever you wish and as a Sikh I will defend your right to do so but you are not entitled to misrepresent the teachings of the Sikh religion which are quite specific in their utter rejection of certain Hindu doctrines notably the notions of Gods, Goddesses, Demi-Gods and the caste system . Sikhs believe only in One God and that He has never been present in human form upon the Earth – that central belief means we utterly reject Hindu deities and the epics associated with them (Ramayana, Mahabharta et al). Now you are probably going to try and come back with the bog standard ‘well Sikhs do believe in them because they are mentioned in the shabads contained within Guru Granth Sahib Ji’ but these are all allusions as the Sikh Gurus were preaching to a largely Punjabi Hindu population which was illiterate and had no frames of reference for the spiritual ideas the Gurus were espousing other than the Hindu myths they would have been raised with. There were ten human Sikh Gurus starting with Guru Nanak and ending with Guru Gobind Singh Ji – I state this because in previous posts you have only referred to 5 Sikh Gurus (and even those have been miss spellings and out of order) and have again in this post sought to try and draw a derivative connection between Guru Ram Das Ji and Guru Arjan Dev Ji and these fictional stories. The most you can say is that their names were inspired by characters in those mythical epics in the same way names have over the centuries and continue to be inspired by characters in the Greek epics in the West. Your argument founders when you consider the name of the founder of the Sikh religion Guru ‘Nanak’ who rejected so many Hindu doctrines (and indeed Islamic ones as well formulating spiritual thought of his own) to set up the Sikh theology. As I said as a Hindu you are perfectly entitled to believe in your Ram and MahaBharata and even make up a glorious history for the RSS but the Sikhs need neither and reject both as we have the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib and the very real historically documented (by the Moghuls and British as well as the SIkhs themselves) heroism of the Khalsa.

Previous responses to ‘Harinder’s support for the RSS:

The RSS is deliberately modelled on the SS of Hitler�s Nazi party because Indians don�t comprehend the full horror of subscribing to where ultra nationalism leads. The Nazi�s called themselves National Socialists, prided themselves as being the so called �true patriots of their country, real Germanic peoples who loved the fatherland, true Aryans of pure blood, and who were best placed to decide who was and who was not entitled to see themselves as their fellow countrymen� � swap out the references to Germany and it is the exact same rhetoric the RSS uses to drum up their politics of hate. In the Nazi instance they decided to persecute the Jews. In the instance of the RSS you have decided to persecute other minorities such as the Muslims and the Sikhs for �not being true Indians or not being Indian enough� with that reactionary claptrap about being �anti national� � the same evil reasoning the SS and Nazis used to discriminate and ultimately try to eliminate �anti-nationals� / �undesirables� from their blessed pure Reich / Bharat. In a democracy one has the right and duty to criticise one�s governance and Sikhs certainly cannot be expected to be subservient as their religious psyche and history of resistance to tyranny amply demonstrates so don�t try to tell us to keep quiet and know our place just to save our lives. Sikhs would rather die on their feet rather than live on their knees as you seem to be intimating we should do.

The RSS shares not only share the Nazi�s nationalism but also its means of indoctrinating its ideology into the young Indian (revising school text books to rewrite history is a perfect example) with their rallies � hell even their uniforms are modelled on the Hitler Youth. The Nazis only started invading other people�s countries after they had spent a decade brutally persecuting their own people (effectively anybody who didn�t think like them or had the audacity to stand up against their tyranny was disappeared, tortured and put to death � sound familiar when you talk of �Punjab is at peace�?). That is why a Sikh cannot be a member of the RSS or keep silent when it persecutes other Indians (whether they be Sikh, Hindu, Muslim or Christian � all are equal in the Sikh�s mind and equally deserving of life, respect, dignity) because Sikhs are taught to be the staunch defenders of both their and others civil and human rights to practise whatever religion they want without fear or favour.

As for courage � a prominent characteristic of Sikhs down through the centuries � being overrated in today�s time, I tell you it is needed more than ever and the Sikh is the final guarantor of that in India, we will defend the innocent no matter their faith, caste or creed and will honour the ultimate sacrifice Sikhs have made to free the disparate lands and peoples of the subcontinent of India from oppression and tyranny. Because of this India needs the Sikhs far more than the Sikhs need India. Take a good hard look at what the RSS actually stands for (its murder of the father of the nation clearly demonstrates its intolerant supremiscist doctrine from the start and where the hell was the RSS anyway in India�s fight for independence, Sikhs were at the forefront with the formation of the Ghadr party and the NLA as well as avenging the Jallianwalla Bagh massacre) and remember that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Put your faith in God alone for He sees all, knows all and is in every human being including the ones you want to silence with your stick waving spectres of Gill and Brar. Sikhs are a sovereign people and saw off the religious fanaticism of the Mogul and the imperial paternalism of the British and we will not be put under such yokes now even if the likes of the RSS and stooges like the current SGPC think to subjugate us with threats, subversion, corruption and sacrilege.

Yes harinder they have been the saviours since humanity was created.. They also invented the wheel, fire and mathematics.. They also can fly and leap tall buildings in a single bound and are more powerful than a locomotive.. If you want to lie than why not go all out? Make it roar!

Your observation is made form both a position of ignorance and bigotry. Terrorists come from all sorts of religious backgrounds (the IRA in Ireland were from Catholic background) and indeed political (the Maoist insurgents in Assam) and nationalist ideologies (ETA Basque Separatists in Spain). One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter as you have proved with your defence of the Hindu extremist RSS which is a terrorist organisation (alongwith the ilk of the Shiv Sena et al) in that seeks to terrorise people from other religions into accepting their dominion either through mob rule, rewriting of history (RSS goon murdered the father of the Nation but this is being whitewashed in Indian history books in schools), intimidation (the insidious Ghar Wapsi programme) and violence. Sikhs have the Khalsa given to us by the hands of Guru Gobind Singh and we will defend the innocent from tyranny no matter if they are Sikhs, Muslims or Hindus so we know what the RSS really is.