:dateline: Sikh24 has received a letter from Dr. Hardyal Singh in regards to his meeting with Professor Darshan Ragi at Hayward Gurdwara on July 21st, here in California. Dr. Bains was taken to the Gurdwara for a regular Sunday program when the meeting took place. In light of this new information we accept Dr Hardyal Singh Bains’ version of events and ask that our readers do the same. It has become clear to our editors that the neo-missionary group responsible for the program used selective editing in the video to show support from Akhand Kirtani Jatha elders, despite the contrary.�Given this new information, we have removed the original video and apologize to Dr. Hardyal Singh Bains.
Please Find Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains’ letter below:
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To Whom it may Concern,
Dr. Hardyal Singh Bains (translated to English)
July 26, 2013
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki Fateh
What made me approach and give my feelings to Darshan Singh after listening to his kirtan at Hayward Gurdwara on July 21, 2013?
He recited the shabad ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?. This was presented with parmans and also with his physical impressions and nods etc.� I was thinking deep about his performance and my past knowledge about him.� I concluded in my mind, that this fellow is still empty in his heart and still after worldly ego. I concluded that his �ghar� is still empty. I became overwhelmed by desire to convey my feelings to him that he should now care for Simran/Bandangee from his heart. I conveyed to him that he has focused so much on �gyan� and has ignored �dhyan�.
The Almighty made me speak, and I still can�t believe I told the Ex-Akal Takht Jathedar that he is empty from the inside by pointing to his chest. I believe my interaction with Prof. Darshan Singh was in the �bhana� of Guru Sahib rather than a personal decision of mine.
This one minute video does not reflect the whole story of what I was trying to convey to Prof. Darshan Singh. I am an old brittle man who doesn�t know today�s computers and the only way I know to communicate is through personal interaction. Speaking to someone face to face is much more effective in changing that person than writing about them or speaking about them indirectly. My intention was to tell him he could change in a positive manner through selfless service and Naam Kamayee.
My counseling him in a positive manner should not be misinterpreted as support of him. I want to make it clear that I do not support Prof. Darshan Singh�s positions on Ardas, Nitnem or his propaganda on Dasam Granth.
Here are the specific answers to your questions:
Q: What does Bhai Hardayal Singh mean by “The Guru is having you do this” in the video?
A: ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?�Gurbani says that a Gurmukh should believe that whatever we do is in His control.� His seva, kirtan etc.
Q:�Does Bhai Hardyal Singh disagree with Prof Darshan’s positions or just his rhetoric?
A: Every individual is a mixture of goodness and badness.� Every individual has his own feelings about his certain persons, but they are not final.� I feel that in spite of his good & brilliant career as a kirtanee, president of Akal Takht, he is suffering badly from selfish ego and party politics. I disagree with Prof. Darshan Singh�s propaganda on Dasam Granth. I disagree with his positions on Ardas and Nitnem.
Q: Why did Bhai Hardyal Singh violate Akal Takhat Hukamnama to not do sangat with patit Prof. Darshan?
A: This did not come to my mind at that time.� I was overwhelmed to convey my above mentioned feelings. I was not doing Prof. Darshan Singh�s sangat, I simply approached him to convey my feelings. I was in the Hazoori of Guru Maharaj.
Q:�What does it mean when he says “Tu sache patshah dee seva kar rehia hai” – what seva is Bhai Hardyal Singh talking about
A; His seva at Ludhiana, Guru Tegh Bahadur Hospital, Parbhat Pheries, Kirtan etc.� These are Guru�s blessings, I think.
Q: What does he mean by “eh parchar karee chal”? what parchar?
A: I meant kirtan and it�s viakheya. Only Gurbani can make him understand his mistakes: ??? ???? ???????? ????� 100 percent submission to the Guru through Gurbani and naam kamayee is saying, �sorry and I regret.�
Editorial Update (7/29/2013):
There has been some questioning of what criteria we used in publishing the story about Dr. Hardyal Singh Bains, here it is:
We double verified the story – we had an individual who was at the event, a video of the interaction, and a news story from another source that all corroborated the original article.
Are we sorry that we had to retract our original story? – Yes
Are we glad Dr. Hardyal Singh Bains has come out in full support of Dasam Granth? – Yes
Do we think Dr. Hardyal Singh Bains should’ve gone to the event (which was advertised in newspapers) despite Akal Takht’s directive to not provide Darshan Ragi any support? – No
At this point we hope the critics point their attention to other news sources who have not retracted their story. Here’s one of them (a missionary site): http://khalsanews.org/newspics/2013/07%20July%202013/24%20July%2013/24%20July%2013%20PDS%20at%20Hayward%20USA%2021%20Jul%2013.htm
Dear Jas Dhaliwheres Waldo,
Call me crazy, but I do recall Gurbani clearly stating that nindya is forbidden. You broke that rule pretty quick…Looks like you’re not doing too well in living “daily life as per Shri. Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s directions.”
You can use some advice from these “scumb bags.”
ABC:
Very first page states that Sikh must be aloof of Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh and Hankar. Why Sikhs are thugs, loot congregation funds without account, bullying the weak, gang up on critics and fabricate false case, false oaths, false witness, involve in smuggling, misuse Gurdwara authority to shelter and sponsor criminals, destroy Sikh religion establishments with Jungle law?
Be silent observer and let criminals to destroy Sikh religion and communities.
Jas Dhaliwal , if u r in india go to their locality, whosoever has been living their from past 20-30 years ask them about Dr.Hardyal Singh ji and Dr.Darshan Singh ji, they can easily tell you who they are, else go to them, i bet u will apologise.. Gurmukkha de nindya karni band karo te Naam japooo… Naam ne hee saath nibhana, chugli nindia tuhde kiti bhagti khatam kar daege
I know both of them very well and other Sikh/Singh/Khalsa preachers hence no desire to go to heaven with them. I trust 100% my Guru Ji, Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and follow his teaching. I do live daily life as per Shri. Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s directions and have utmost respect hence do not need any advice from scum bags. Let my Guru Ji decide and I have my daily prayer to my Guru Ji.
ABC, please change your name to Ohara, Aaara, Eeriee. Out of respect for Jas please use punjabi letters otherwise you may be called a “Dhobi da Kuta; Na ghar da, Na ghaatt Da”
Again Jas wrote:
“””I know both the preachers, have heard much time and live in bay area.”””
Dr Hardyal singh is not a preacher he is a simple Gurmukhh who has never ever taken money for keertan. He devoted his life to a family and Gurmat I was happy to see his response and very pleased with it. Why are you having a difficult time accepting his response?
“”No I do not know answer to those questions being just human and leaving answer to my creator. I do not make other human�s internal knowledge judgment but analyze how humans make statements. The truth burns the ass of many blind followers. “”
hahahha what the hell are you trying to say??? do you think if you find words in the english dictionary that are longer than 3 letters you will seem intelligent??
You seem very concerned with with everyone’s ass, lets hope there isn’t an article on Jas Dhaliwal on this website regarding male ass.
“”I�m Sikh that is disciple who always learn not try to become GURU like so called show case preachers and slum bags. “”
I think you meant scum bags
I observe the impact of teaching on Sikh communities Worldwide of such preachers those bark on podium and twist Guru Ji teaching.
Dr.Hardyal singh is a keertaniee doesn’t do katha and I have never heard him bark. You on the other hand go read your previous posts and tell me how retarded you sound.
I�m measuring the quality of Sikhs for the last 50 Years that is deteriorating during their time. Anyone can observe, collect data, analyze and conclude the results.
You are measuring????? Anyone can observe. collect data, analyzye??? Why do you think everyone is in support Of Dr Sahiab?? Could it be that over 90 years of his existence people have observed and analyzed the results?? but you took a 50 sec clip over 90 years and concluded that he is a bad person?? Are you starting to see what we all are seeing?? That you are not well and your english is very bad??
“”Who had given birth to camera during Bhagat Ravidas Ji Time?”
Shutup don’t say something this stupid again.
My final conclusion on you is that you are uneducated, your comments are completely stupid and I can’t believe I actually responded to you.
One last request please do not disrespect the english language by using it.
Chardikala:
You have written lot of garbage on network as I asked question regarding the internal knowledge of Sikh intellectuals as being Sikh member.
Do I live in under Baber�s rule or dictatorship?
My questions are repeated instead answering and why not answer?
You have threatened with death and send order to Akal Takhat; under what authority?
What crime I have committed?
If you and Akal Takhat are so power full then why not takes revenge Sikh enemy who have destroyed Akal Takhat, murder Sikhs, raped our mothers, sisters and daughters?
Why SAJJAN KUMAR still enjoying life in middle of 6 million SINGHS, KHALSAS and Sikh members?
How much congregation funds have been looted since 1984 and why no account?
Why Amritdharies are involved in drug smuggling including 133 year old religious book publishing company and its co-owner RABJIT SINGH?
Why Sikh are bullying which is against Sikh philosophy and threating to kill without committing any heinous crimes?
Are they real have Sikh blood or contaminated from Muslims hence they act like Muslims?
Why Khalsas (claim KHALSTANI) celebrate birthday of ex-SDM of Jagraon Bikram Singh who prosecuted and tortured Sant Jarnal singh Ji Bhindrawale in 1983 without FIR for 4 days at Sidhwa Bait Rest House, killed and tortured hundreds of youth during his tenure, collected lot of money and Where are dedicated Sikhs sleeping?
Where is Guru ji�s Khalsa and why not obeying, guru ji�s directions?
It is very easy to write on network or claim but very difficult to become a Sikh, Singh or Khalsa?
Why Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has been modified in 1950s and what was reason?
Who has looted banks in Punjab and killed our own brother sisters since 1984?
How many Sikhs, Singhs and Khalsa members took true oath to migrate to other countries?
How many Sikhs, Singhs and Khalsa members crossed the borders to leave Punjab?
How many Sikhs, Singhs and Khalsa members generated false papers to get political asylum?
How many Sikhs, Singhs and Khalsa members live under and follow Guru Ji�s teaching?
How many Sikhs, Singhs and Khalsa members follow the law of land of their new resident countries?
Why police is called in every Gurdwara not in Churches, Temples, Senegal and Mosques?
Why Sikhs not analyzing what is practically going on in all Gurdwaras and who are managing?
I have my real name on network, why you have broken and twisted names?
Why Sikhs have lost respect on International Arena since 1947, which was protected for centuries?
Sikhs were most respected and known as hard worker, why now known as thief, smuggler, thugs and go to jails?
I have my prayer to Gur Nanak Dev Ji for my protection; you and you Akal Takhat can murder me for asking questions. I want to test my Guru�s power and only protection from your political Akal Takhat power who could not take revenge of its own destruction by Amritdhari Giani ZAIL SINGH; who ordered army to raid entire Sikh establishments in 1984.
I�ll keep your email for FBI, law and enforcement record to investigate you after my death as you have threatened to kill me. My death is my destination and not afraid of physical death as per Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindrawale statement.
Again I am stressing that Sikhs are enemy of Sikhs and do not understand Guru Ji�s teaching. I�m waiting to see, meet real honest, hardworking and living as a dedicated Sikh, who love Sikh Gurus, follow Guru Ji direction in daily living.
Jas Dhaliwal,
I have a shuck that Chardikala is a Government Agent. I would not try to communicate with him anymore. In fact after you read this you should burn your computer. Close your blinds lock your doors and make sure you burn any piece of paper with your name on it. He is coming for all of us.
I hope Jas Dhaliwal didn’t die. We need more discourse on his philosophies to save the ever so fragile Panth. Somebody please write to Akal Takth that we send out a search party for a one “Jas Dhaliwal” and immediately return with either him, or his personal journal on life.
Places to begin looking are:
-hunkered down behind a computer screen
-Kentucky Fried Chicken
He may be trying to swipe his ipad to unlock it. Given his previous comments, it is not out of the question that he has encountered a hardship doing so.
Can anybody provide a description on him? I hate to change the topic of this discussion, but without his questions, we cannot move forward. I refuse to shower until I know he is okay.
JAS DHALIWAL, PLEASE SEND PROOF OF LIFE! A NAIL CLIPPING OR A DHARI BRUSH OR ANYTHING. YOU CAN SAVE THE PANTH AND GOTHAM CITY.
From Jas Dhaliwal
“Both are showing their own importance to get attention and fake respect from congregation. Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains and Prof Darshan Singh Ragi get into controversial to gain visibility and create further division of Sikhs.”
Ok you make a lot of sense here Jas (btw you left out singh in your name) So you’re saying Bhai Hardyal singh ji is looking for importance, attention and fake respect. Lol so a respected gursikh in AKJ who spent his life with the likes of Bhai Randhir Singh ji and is one of the few Pratan singhs left from that time in the jatha is looking for attention hmmm interesting.
There isn’t a person in AKJ or most sangat outside of AKJ who doesn’t know who Bhai Hardyal singh is, but he’s looking for fake respect??
“””Both; they do not know their own fate, how they can make statement to other that one is empty and other is contently filled with SEWA.”””
Lol you can barely speak or write english stick to Punjabi… why put the semicolon after Both??
and it’s not “how they can make statement to other…. you sound like a
�Dhobi da Kuta; Na ghar da, Na ghaatt Da�, Please write english or punjabi not stupid broken dialogue of Social Media Mentally disturbed Kid�s language.”””
Request to editor to clarify following questions:
1. Does Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains know what is the date, time of his death?
2. Does Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains know what will be cause of his death?
3. Does Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains know location; where will have his last breath?
Ummm
1) Does Jas Dhaliwal know what is the date today?
2) Does Jas Dhaliwal know that he should have stopped writing his post when he entered his name?
3) Does Jas Dhaliwal know that he actually sounds retarded. (Definition of retarded Mentally disturbed Kid)
If no answer to above questions then result is �Retard writes by himself Retard”
I for one actually respect Sikh 24 news, who actually looked into the facts later and reported the news. It is not easy to do what they do but as Sikhi has many forces against it. Sikh 24 editors did they right thing and made the corrections that they needed to make and acknowledged there mistakes. Good Job
signed
Jas-tard Dhaliwal
We all need to follow Panthik Rehat Maryada (Not Rehat of any Jathebandi, whether Taksal or AKJ or Nanaksar etc etc). There are few approved Baanis from Dasam Granth. Follow only those. They are:
Japu Sahib, 10 swaeyas(swarg Sudu Waley 21-30 akal ustit) Chaupai beginning “hamri karo hath dai rachha” and ending with “dusht dokh te leho bachai”), Ardas (as sanctioned RehatMaryada).including Akal Ustit (except Chhand 201-230), khalsa mehma, 33 Swaeyas, Shabad Hazarey and Zafarnama
Based on these incidents, some of the people has started saying to follow whole of Dasma Granth including the pornographic articles. etc. Please forgive me for using the language directly.
That is absolutely false. There are multiple Hukamnamey from Akal Takhat that say ALL of Dasam Granth is Mukhvaak of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
All historical sources including Kesar Singh Chhibbar, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha, Rehatnamey by contemporaries of Guru Gobind Singh Ji confirm this fact.
Anyone who says otherwise is trying to create a split in the Panth
Leave it to Jas Dhaliwal to try to make a intelligent point. If you have never interacted with Dr Hardyal Singh, keep your opinion to yourself. He has spent his whole life in the selfless service of others and has probably read through the entire Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji more than you have even done your Nitnem. He probably knows more about Gurbani than you know English.
See how I just assumed your character based on your one post? That is exactly what you have done based on this one article. Pretty lame isn’t it?
1) Does Jas Dhaliwal know when he is going to die?
2) Does Jas Dhaliwal know where he is going to die?
3) Does Jas Dhaliwal know how he is going to die?
If no answers to the above questions, then using Jas Dhaliwal’s logic the result is Jas Dhaliwal just became a “Dummy” . Please spare us your opinion.
Jas Dhaliwal might die when I shove my foot…nevermind
Kaur1:
I know both the preachers, have heard much time and live in bay area. No I do not know answer to those questions being just human and leaving answer to my creator. I do not make other human’s internal knowledge judgment but analyze how humans make statements. The truth burns the ass of many blind followers. I’m Sikh that is disciple who always learn not try to become GURU like so called show case preachers and slum bags. I observe the impact of teaching on Sikh communities Worldwide of such preachers those bark on podium and twist Guru Ji teaching. I’m measuring the quality of Sikhs for the last 50 Years that is deteriorating during their time. Anyone can observe, collect data, analyze and conclude the results. Who had given birth to camera during Bhagat Ravidas Ji Time? They are most greedy and teach against greed. I have witness with my eyes that Akal Takhat Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh received FIVE SINGH�S HONOR that is only authorized to Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Do you think I�ll respect FIVE KHALSA and Jathedar that they have knowledge of SIKHISM? Now blinds follow blinds and it is time to check sanity not to prove dummy.
I am thoroughly confused. Clearly we have a savant on our hands.
I didn’t see anybody else telling Prof Darshan Singh that he’s wrong. If you’ve only got keyboard courage and you’ve just posted comments and wrote articles, well anybody can do that. It takes a pair to walk up to the ex Akal Takth Jathedar, point at his chest, and tell him he’s wrong. And to do that without hate or malice takes control of your Krodh. Jas Dhaliwal, I fail to see logic in your post.
@ jas dhaliwal tuhanu pata v h k eh Kon ne eh Dr. Hardyal Singh…? Je nai pata hunda ta na boliya karo….. He has never in thier life supported those who rejected guru sahib’s baani or has done Kintu parantu on it… u cant even imagine hw much their bhagti is, how much knowledge they have about Gurbani and gurmukhi lipi, gurmukhi grammar. Dr. sahib ji ne pata ni kiney Keertanis nu sikhya diti te sada hee Nishkaamta lai pareriya….. Bhai sahib ji ne apne 40 years purane relation torhte se ohna nal jina ne gurbani te kintu parantu kitta c…
and i dont think k ohna ne kch galat kita h Pr.Darshan nu samjhhaake… Zaruri nai k excommunicate kardo te gall muk jaege… jado tak tusi agle nal behke vichaar ni karoge pyar nal samjhaoge nai.. agla samjh nai skda… || Akal Sahai ||
S:
You’re just like “Dhobi da Kuta; Na ghar da, Na ghaatt Da”, Please write english or punjabi not stupid broken dialogue of Social Media Mentally disturbed Kid’s language.
Both are showing their own importance to get attention and fake respect from congregation. Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains and Prof Darshan Singh Ragi get into controversial to gain visibility and create further division of Sikhs. Both; they do not know their own fate, how they can make statement to other that one is empty and other is contently filled with SEWA.
Request to editor to clarify following questions:
1. Does Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains know what is the date, time of his death?
2. Does Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains know what will be cause of his death?
3. Does Bhai Hardyal Singh Bains know location; where will have his last breath?
4. Does Prof. Darshan Singh Ragi know what is the date, time of his death?
5. Does Prof. Darshan Singh Ragi know what will be cause of his death?
6. Does Prof. Darshan Singh Ragi know location; where will have his last breath?
If no answer to above questions then result is �Dummy criticize another Dummy�
Wow.
If you doubt him so much go knock on his door and ask him his point of view. I guarentee you won’t leave without learning a Shabad. If you ask nicely, he’ll teach a Dasam Bani Shabad! Anybody can be an Internet Nihung.
Sikh24: you guys started calling him Dr. Hardyal Bains, when you first “reported” this story. Now, you have given him his “Singh status” back, and even added the word “bhai” to his name. I find it extremely sad how you totally disrespect an individual because you think his views do not align with yours. I think this situation should be a learning experience for you, as to not judging others without getting the full story. Is this the world’s first Sikh tabloid? Please report facts, and don’t get so emotional, so this kind of shameful reporting can be avoided in the future.
Dear editors,
Why is it that you will allow a post speaking of doubt regarding Dr. Hardyal Singh’s response but you won’t allow my post regarding your journalistic process/tactics? What are the requirements for a message to be allowed on this website?
If you have nit met Dr sahib in person and have not seen how he lives, how he talks and how he teaches it could be bit difficult to understand this interaction. I have only met him once and from the way he scolded us in minimal words to focus on gurbani and simran rather than doing hahhaa huuuhuu(we were sharing jokes at that time) i can totally understand that he is one of those who will walk up to and confront anybody if he feels like.
The technology does capture things out of context because it cannot record the thought of person but only visible interaction
Kudos to sikh24 once again your site shows its biased face to the world double standards for this site in the panth when taksaal is following their puratan belief of manglacharan there were cries to kick him out while in the video of dr h you can see that he is obviously supporting darshan now he is just trying to cover uo his tracks keep up putting splits in the panth sikh24 good job